As a full disclosure, Debra Wold has been on the ENB podcast before, and her podcast went off the charts. I also had a lot of fun following her on LinkedIn and reading her posts and her energy expertise shine.
I know people are tired of me saying that it does not matter what energy we use, but let’s provide the lowest cost energy with the least impact on the environment to elevate all of humanity out of poverty. That means using all forms of energy and letting the markets decide. Nuclear, wind, solar, geothermal, hydro, oil, gas, and storage.
Grenelily is a fascinating company that can work on almost any size municipality or pollution-generating source like landfills and turns that into biodiesel, gas, and other green energy. The key is they do NOT need tax subsidies to be profitable. Yes, you read that right.
Watch, listen to the podcast and get in touch with Debra on her LinkedIn here.
Thank you, Debra, for stopping back by the ENB Podcast! – Stu
The full interview:
ENB Podcast with Debra Wold – Episode 90
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Stuart Turley [00:00:43] Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Energy Newsbeat podcast. My name’s Stu Turley, president and CEO of the Sandstone Group.
Stuart Turley [00:00:50] Everybody knows I like talking about clean energy when it matches up with market pricing and able to be supported.
Stuart Turley [00:00:58] I’ve got a fantastic guest today. She is a retread, as in, you know, you have somebody back on your podcast.
Stuart Turley [00:01:07] Her first podcast was wildly exciting. I just excited about the traction it got. I want everybody to meet [00:01:15]Deborah Wold. [0.5s]
Stuart Turley [00:01:16] She is the CEO of Green Lily Energy and to catch people up. We are going to talk a little bit in the first part here about what we talked about on our first episode and Deborah, give us a shout out and a little bit about what you guys do.
Debra Wold [00:01:34] Absolutely. Well, today we are at a local 32, which is a union, and they are part of our company. So we’re very thrilled to be here.
Debra Wold [00:01:42] Number two, in our last podcast, we talked about [00:01:46]The key thing for us renewable energy and water. We’re a business development and consulting company. [4.7s] And what we do is we bring everybody into the basket of our company.
Debra Wold [00:01:56] We bring the financing, which can be private partner participation. We bring in now the World’s Ask Me the nation’s largest insurance broker who just requested that they join with us. It was lovely to get that letter of support from them.
Debra Wold [00:02:12] We also bring in what we call the Golden Thread now, which is the union the union brings forth. Building our projects, operating our projects and the quality of their work is bar none. So that’s why we partnered up with them.
Debra Wold [00:02:28] In addition, the long term sustainability of them learning our technology to build more plants.
Debra Wold [00:02:36] And then in addition, we’re looking right now for sites. So our whole entire complex that we’re talking about is called green renewable green energy complex. And what we do is we look around and we see we’ve already got the natural resources here we don’t have to reinvent the wheel.
Stuart Turley [00:02:56] Right.
Debra Wold [00:02:57] Wind and solar are fine, but they’re not sustainable.
Stuart Turley [00:03:01] Right.
Debra Wold [00:03:01] If you look in your backyard, you have trash. We have oil, we have natural gas, we have coal, we have heavy business crude.
Debra Wold [00:03:09] All of these natural resources that are currently here can be used and transformed into zero sulfur, zero emission, zero carbon footprint, sustainable products that we use every day, low cost electricity, low cost fuels.
Stuart Turley [00:03:28] And you’re hitting all my hot buttons as far as just absolutely getting to zero pollution or an impact on the environment.
Stuart Turley [00:03:39] And you missed on one little point here in that your all your projects don’t have to have the tax deductions you keep all your stuff pretty cool because you’re cost competitive then. I mean, you want to harp on that for just a little bit because that’s a huge piece of this.
Debra Wold [00:03:57] Yes. The beautiful thing about our technology, which is sustainable or renewable, we do not want, nor do we require taxpayer dollars. And the reason why our ROI Return On Investment year one is north of 10%.
Stuart Turley [00:04:14] Nice.
Debra Wold [00:04:14] Why? Because we take the natural, which is currently in our environment right now,.
Stuart Turley [00:04:19] Right.
Debra Wold [00:04:19] Through IP technology, it’s transformed successfully. We have plants overseas into drop in market products. So therefore it’s a single process which keeps the CapEx in the low, OpEx low.
Debra Wold [00:04:33] And creates a greater our relied for our investors and allows us to produce the products that are cost effective, which the market will bear complementary and even better than what’s out there now.
Stuart Turley [00:04:48] You know, I’m sitting here thinking, you know, yesterday I’m going to sidetrack for half a sec we talked on our Energy Newsbeat podcast, Daily Show.
Stuart Turley [00:04:59] There are Reuters did a study of 100 but ballpark 100 campuses across the U.S. that are running their own power plants.
Stuart Turley [00:05:10] And they are producing more CO2 and nasty production of electricity. Some of the power plants have been in there on college campuses since John F Kennedy, and they’re just polluting. Horrible.
Stuart Turley [00:05:26] So they’re out there shouting green. Yeah. And everything else. Why we’re going we need to have a marketing program to these guys to wake them up. I mean, you take Harvard, I think their $50 billion endowment, you would think they would want to go green.
Debra Wold [00:05:44] Right.
Stuart Turley [00:05:45] For investment. Anyway, I’m sorry, I just. That whole marriage of renewable, sustainable, which works and coincides with all of the other nice, renewable and everything else, grass roots. Did I get that right?
Debra Wold [00:06:01] You, did and I’ll just lead off on that one topic there in regards to universities,.
Stuart Turley [00:06:06] Right.
Debra Wold [00:06:07] It’s almost like they’re going out there and they’re painted red, but in order to fit in, they go out there with spray paint and green paint and say, Hey, now we’re green.
Stuart Turley [00:06:16] Right.
Debra Wold [00:06:16] But they didn’t mean what they originally were. And that’s the problem. It’s like, okay, so you look like you’re green, but really underneath you’re red, let us say.
Stuart Turley [00:06:27] Right.
Debra Wold [00:06:27] And the problem is, is that they’re not teaching the kids, the students.
Stuart Turley [00:06:32] Right.
Debra Wold [00:06:32] There really is green renewable. Just look outside your back door, take a can or take a paper bag that can be turned into low cost fuels and electricity.
Debra Wold [00:06:45] But because they’re being kind of blinded, the universities, they want to fit in. Everybody wants to be ESG.
Stuart Turley [00:06:51] Right? But they’re not.
Debra Wold [00:06:53] Precisely. The question is, if you really were to sit down and take a lie detector test, let us say just, you know, for fun.
Stuart Turley [00:07:01] Right?
Debra Wold [00:07:02] Are you really ESG qualified? They’d have to be honest. The lie detector would say, no.
Stuart Turley [00:07:08] No, it’s kind of like my wife when I come home with cookies on my breath. And she said, having have a cookie. And I’m like, you know, I can’t lie to my wife is like, yeah, I did.
Stuart Turley [00:07:19] Okay. We got a little bit of a background for folks in case they didn’t hear your first one. Let’s go through some of your more details and what we have and you’ve got on you’ve got a nice PowerPoint slide deck, and we want to have our producers bring these in, kind of show people for our video folks. But if you’re on our podcast, we’ll just kind of say it’s on slide one or slide two and those.
Stuart Turley [00:07:47] So then the first slide, it talks about the [00:07:50]Energy Alliance for Clean Environment. [1.6s]
Debra Wold [00:07:52] Yes,.
Stuart Turley [00:07:53] Weve Already kind of teed this up, but we didn’t go into where your plants go into and where you really target. That’s with municipalities and those kind of things. So let’s touch on that, which is slide one on there.
Debra Wold [00:08:09] So you’re absolutely correct. We believe that these will fit perfectly with the municipality. Taking the example that you had at the university trying to create your own electricity.
Stuart Turley [00:08:19] Right.
Debra Wold [00:08:19] And what we do is we would create these on a smaller scale based upon the size of the municipality that they were up in, let’s say, 400,000 metric tons of trash.
Debra Wold [00:08:31] And that’s basically what’s in your community, what in your municipality, The trash would come to our green facility, which is a processing center,.
Stuart Turley [00:08:40] Right.
Debra Wold [00:08:40] It would go through the processing center and produce end products like low cost electricity and low cost fuels. And the reason why we made it scalable, because some municipalities are larger than others. So based upon what is metric tons trash coming in that community is what we can transform that into the products that they need.
Debra Wold [00:09:02] The benefit to the municipality and the county is this. They can use that as a marketing tool and say we really do provide green, sustainable, renewable electricity at a low cost for green, sustainable renewable fuels like diesel at a low cost.
Stuart Turley [00:09:19] I’m going to stop here for half sec because green hypocrisy drives me nuts and what you talked about last time was ESG with accountability through measurability and you have that the measurability in your systems. Is that correct?
Debra Wold [00:09:38] Precisely. Absolutely.
Stuart Turley [00:09:40] And I was awake on our last call on our one guest so go.
Stuart Turley [00:09:45] In your accountability so they’re not. Marketing falsely their ESG solution.
Debra Wold [00:09:52] Absolutely 100% ESG. Both of our companies, from the business development to the technology woman to owned and operated energy companies.
Debra Wold [00:10:01] And we keep it that way so that now so we can fit into the ESG. And we’re not against working with men. You know, it’s like all these people have got some weird ideas. I read something weird on LinkedIn today where men are like being looked upon is like negative. And I’m like, No, no, no, no.
Debra Wold [00:10:17] We’re all working together,.
Stuart Turley [00:10:19] Right
Debra Wold [00:10:20] Our global economy and men have great ideas as well as women have great ideas. We can come together at the green table and the benefit of that being ESG.
Stuart Turley [00:10:32] Right.
Debra Wold [00:10:34] Through and through, is that our perspective is how can we help the economy where we’re at today so that the fuels that we produce can help the low income families that can’t afford the higher prices out there?
Stuart Turley [00:10:49] Right.
Debra Wold [00:10:50] You know.
Stuart Turley [00:10:51] Let me ask this, Derek, because this and you and I get so passionate about this, I know we’re like, okay, quit. Sorry.
Stuart Turley [00:11:00] The disproportionately impacted communities and let’s take either Detroit or New York City or these others, they would be huge contracts and potential moneymakers for this kind of a thing because the energy in those areas, you can’t put you got to replace the coal plants, you got to replace these things, and they won’t build pipelines.
Stuart Turley [00:11:23] So this is something that you can do in those areas to lower the costs for the disproportionately impacted communities. I mean.
Debra Wold [00:11:31] Precisely. You’re absolutely correct. So when you’re so under the Inflation Act, right, there’s all these billions of dollars that are out there for green renewable waste to organics technology.
Stuart Turley [00:11:44] Right.
Debra Wold [00:11:44] Well, we’re not we don’t want to go after those subsidies because we don’t feel that. That’s right. Because our line is north of 10%. But what we say, the administrative challenges, you have access to your grant writers to go after that to help build up your underprivileged communities.
Debra Wold [00:12:02] Will help you. We have a service that can help them build that up and help them write the right language.
Debra Wold [00:12:09] Our new attorney just brought on. He’s phenomenal in that environmental space is where he work and he said if municipalities would wake up, they’re sitting on great, great opportunities where they could access those grants because they have a true green technology that will benefit that underprivileged community.
Stuart Turley [00:12:32] I’m stunned. I stumbled in this. I’m over here thinking I’m brilliant and you’ve already got all screwed up now.
Debra Wold [00:12:37] But we’re brilliant together.
Stuart Turley [00:12:40] Oh, there you go. But, you know, that is cool, because, I mean, that absolutely is fantastic to reach out to these bigger places that don’t have capacity or the ability to bring in energy in a green way, because they’re not listening to the other energy sides of the thing.
Stuart Turley [00:13:03] So this is I’m sorry if we’re getting all excited because this is exactly I have a passion for elevating folks out of poverty and markets and stuff.
Stuart Turley [00:13:15] On actually the next slide, which is titled [00:13:19]Two Stage Green Renewable Energy Project. [2.2s] I think we covered a lot of this already in this is.
Stuart Turley [00:13:29] Your work in project right now has 150 to 160 megawatt facility and zero sulfur diesel coming. Yes. Yes. No way.
Debra Wold [00:13:40] Yes. We do not have any plans to mind you right now. We’re looking for the first state of the art facility to put in. But absolutely, we have ASTM specs that validate and authenticate what I’m saying right here.
Stuart Turley [00:13:53] Nice.
Debra Wold [00:13:53] In our DNA, sulfur is zero sulfur because it’s the single process. And the way that it’s made, it is made to the carbon based that’s in trash.
Stuart Turley [00:14:04] All right. My head exploded. And let me explain why.
Stuart Turley [00:14:09] In 2021, the EIA put out a paper and there are no refining, no new refineries in the U.S. because this hits home. Right, with what is going on with the diesel shortage.
Stuart Turley [00:14:25] And that is biodiesel is $2 per gallon more than regular refined diesel but the regular diesel is refined in refineries that are over since 2000. Yeah, 1978 was the last big one that was put in.
Debra Wold [00:14:50] Right.
Stuart Turley [00:14:50] Our biodiesel. And I’m pleased. Fact check me if I’m saying anything wrong.
Debra Wold [00:14:55] You’re right.
Stuart Turley [00:14:57] The biodiesel ones add $2 by making the biodiesel. And so after looking at some of your numbers, your green numbers, using that thing with the numbers now would mean we would have biodiesel closer to regular diesel pricing.
Debra Wold [00:15:20] Precisely. And the fact that when you make biodiesel, let’s say ethanol, you’re taking food consumption away from humans and what the growing corn when you know, I grew up in partial farm, we grew the corn to consume or to feed to the animals, not to a vehicle. And biodiesel was not good for the. Right. What do you get return on investment there? You know.
Stuart Turley [00:15:45] Let me throw this animal at you. And that is ethanol. I am not an ethanol fan for the same reason.
Stuart Turley [00:15:51] Can you all. I don’t know the technology on that side of it, but it could help feed into, so to speak, ethanol.
Debra Wold [00:16:00] We are right now in starting dialog with Iowa and their ethanol plants.
Debra Wold [00:16:05] They have a four nation process and it’s called green ethanol that’s a whole different project. But it’s going to be consistent of having taking instead of waste. We’re taking cow waste. We’re taking hog waste, manure, different things like that instead of the corn and we’re transforming that into renewable green biodiesel.
Debra Wold [00:16:27] But the here’s the thing. Our process takes hours to make, right, instead of days to make ethanol zero sulfur, zero carbon.
Stuart Turley [00:16:39] Wow.
Debra Wold [00:16:40] So, in essence, when you’re making a product, the key that costs investors and us is how many processes does it have to go through?
Debra Wold [00:16:50] It was just a single process. Your CapEx and OpEx are low and you are always high, but the end product, you get pristine fuel.
Debra Wold [00:17:03] That’s a benefit to farmers, let’s say all these ethanol companies in the farmers over there. We have our whole entire ethanol green complex that we put together for them, but not using corn. Helping out the farmers, getting ready, those manure pits, which are very toxic and dangerous.
Stuart Turley [00:17:22] Right.
Debra Wold [00:17:23] Bring it to us. We’ll make you. In addition to the green fuels and production electricity for your farm or whatever.
Stuart Turley [00:17:31] Right.
Debra Wold [00:17:32] We’re going to make you pristine fertilizer based upon the specs that you require because our end product produces fertilizer in that area.
Stuart Turley [00:17:40] There’s a shortage of right now.
Debra Wold [00:17:42] It’s in there.
Stuart Turley [00:17:44] They use natural gas. Excuse me. Natural gas is a huge portion of that.
Debra Wold [00:17:50] Right. Okay.
Stuart Turley [00:17:52] I’m. I’m over here, you know, every year. Thanks for putting up with. I’m over here thinking all these cool things. You’ve already got all these.
Debra Wold [00:17:58] Oh, no, you’re.
Stuart Turley [00:17:59] This is. This is so cool. Now, water on the next one slide over there is [00:18:04]Water for Purification. [0.6s] How is all this fit into this? Is it because the processes in the fuels need so much water? How does that fit in with your systems?
Debra Wold [00:18:15] So when look for a gas power plant, when you’re making electricity, there’s condensation from that. Oh, yeah.
Stuart Turley [00:18:22] Okay.
Debra Wold [00:18:22] And same thing with the waste to energy. There’s there’s different types of water that come from that. Instead of just putting it as green and get rid of it, we say, no, no, no, no. Let’s put it do our water processing system.
Stuart Turley [00:18:34] Right.
Debra Wold [00:18:35] Well, we can purify it from agricultural water. That can be possible sale. It can be for potable water for the depressed communities.
Stuart Turley [00:18:44] Right.
Debra Wold [00:18:45] It can be for technical grade water all the way to medical grade water, depending on the specs of the client and what they want. So nothing on our system, even our sewer water is purified and can be taken to that level. That’s why we wrote all this in here, to say it’s not just taking care of electricity and fuel, but we’re cleaning the water. So it’s a closed loop system where it’s a benefit to communities and municipalities.
Stuart Turley [00:19:13] You know, I’ll tell you, if if if you’re a municipality and you’re you’re sitting there scratching your head because sometimes when you’re in a city manager, I’ve dealt with a few city managers on big projects before.
Stuart Turley [00:19:28] And you have no idea where to get the resources and stuff. Do you guys do the feasibility studies? Can they call you up and then pay you as a consulting firm to do that feasibility study? Because that is a nightmare.
Debra Wold [00:19:43] Absolutely. I want to do something that we’re dealing with right now, but they came into the same situation right there.
Debra Wold [00:19:51] Several presentations, several meetings ended up saying, we don’t know where to go. We don’t know what to do. And I said, that’s okay.
Debra Wold [00:20:00] We will walk you through the process and how to get those grants so that you can bring us in. Because what we look at is we’re not out to control. We want a partner. We want to lock arms with people and say, let’s do this together. business perspective we say this is great for everybody on our side because we’re just going to mass producers all over the country, all in the Western Hemisphere.
Stuart Turley [00:20:26] Right?
Debra Wold [00:20:27] But we don’t forget our values, moral principles of our company and the way we run our company is very faith based.
Debra Wold [00:20:34] We’ve got to take care of everybody through the process. And if we run across someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing, we are more than willing to sit down with them and say, Hey, let us help you write the grants. Let us help you through this navigational process.
Debra Wold [00:20:50] If you want it, we’ll help you.
Stuart Turley [00:20:54] Okay. I’m going to put nominate you for Secretary Energy here because.
Debra Wold [00:21:00] I’d love it.
Stuart Turley [00:21:02] Wouldn’t that be fun?
Debra Wold [00:21:03] That would be fun.
Stuart Turley [00:21:03] You would do a fabulous job well leave that discussion out of here.
Stuart Turley [00:21:10] Okay. And when I went through your your your material here, I love this. It’s an eye chart. I mean, we’re going to I’m going to have my producer flash up number three tonight chart. And I love it from a standpoint that you got numbers. I mean, it’s not pie in the sky. This is actual working stuff.
Debra Wold [00:21:32] Exactly. And in addition, we have a 3D model, a visual model for those who want to see how this all works. We have built in a computer model, the gas power plant with the water pro with our own gear up. We’re going to call it not Micro-Grid Substation, excuse me.
Debra Wold [00:21:53] And then our waste to energy facility and our CO2 all in a 24 acre footprint to give the municipalities an idea what this looks like and Stewart, if you go back to the first page or to me the second page, now, it shows that the I’ll squash it real quickly.
Stuart Turley [00:22:11] Oh, yes.
Debra Wold [00:22:11] GREENHOUSE It looks like houses and we custom designed them that way so they don’t look industrial and ugly or people do. I don’t want that there. It ditched into the beautiful esthetics of the environment. It’s so green. In addition, I just have to mention this.
Debra Wold [00:22:27] We got one of our buildings, three of our buildings that we decided to put for green houses for people who want to children want to go there, learn how to plant, how to grow, how to use our own fertilizer. We power it up with our own energy.
Debra Wold [00:22:43] What about the homeless? What about the shelters? They need to grow crops and food, you know? 365 Well, the homeless. So we we’re in essence, God gave to us. We’re giving back. That’s our whole philosophy. Make it a circular relationship between everybody.
Stuart Turley [00:23:00] You know, you’re hitting every single one of my hot buttons, Deborah, and I’m going to be able to float along for the rest of the week off of this conversation and when you’ve got I mean,.
Stuart Turley [00:23:12] I was talking to Tom Jensen. He is the CEO of Fry Battery out of Norway and they’re making renewable batteries and they’re putting in a Gigafactory in Georgia and they’re putting it in Norway. Those are important to me. And and when you’re having in grids and things, we do need the storage because you can’t have this and that.
Debra Wold [00:23:36] Right.
Stuart Turley [00:23:36] But I didn’t like Gigafactories because they were not renewable and now get renewable batteries in there. It’s like check. So you also have ideas and it’s on. I love this chart. I can’t. Number four and number five. After that, we’ll go like this when we in the production.
Debra Wold [00:23:59] Yeah,.
Stuart Turley [00:24:00] Nobody can see those anyway. And we’ve already talked about slide deck on slide six, the feasibility study.
Debra Wold [00:24:09] Right.
Stuart Turley [00:24:09] When I was working with this municipalities in the past, man, you had to have that feasibility study and not knowing how to do it we were the experts and we went in and did all of the sewage walk through on their wireless connectivity.and that makes a huge difference as well. To.
Stuart Turley [00:24:29] Then you’ve gone in and made the assumptions. I’ll tell you what, I know we’re not going to worry about the rest of the charts, but I love the fact you get data. It’s not a marketing deck, except it’s more of a factual deck.
Debra Wold [00:24:48] Precisely, what we wanted to do is we wanted to educate the communities and the municipalities and whomever we’re talking to people, our investors, insurance, everybody.
Stuart Turley [00:24:57] Right
Debra Wold [00:24:57] These are hardcore facts based upon producing plants that are already going for the past 20 years.
Stuart Turley [00:25:03] Right.
Debra Wold [00:25:03] The other is that we want to help walk them through so they understand what the CapEx is, what the OpEx is. And here’s the beautiful thing,.
Stuart Turley [00:25:12] Right
Debra Wold [00:25:13] We are engaged with two large utility companies and they’re going through research and development of our technology. We’ve had several conversations with them. I wish I could announce it now, but I can’t.
Stuart Turley [00:25:24] Right.
Debra Wold [00:25:25] And they see us not as a threat but as a value add. One has to do with natural gas and the other one has to do with the grid. And they said, Well, you’re not a threat to us. You’re not trying to take over our multi-billion dollar companies always said, no, no, no, Remember, we partnered with you.
Debra Wold [00:25:43] We can be a value add to you and producing uninterrupted sustainable electricity, energy using natural gas, which is very key for us. It’s a basically, it unifies our diesel and our jet fuel and whatever gasoline so we get the perfect spec every time.
Debra Wold [00:26:05] So that’s the key for us. Don’t throw anybody out with the bathwater.
Stuart Turley [00:26:12] Right
Debra Wold [00:26:12] That carbon neutral table is key for everybody to sit at.
Stuart Turley [00:26:17] And, you know, that’s one of the things that just bugs me when we’re out there and we’re, you know, I get excited about elevating people out of poverty and all those things and and we’ve got, what, 3 billion folks in the world that still don’t have poverty.
Stuart Turley [00:26:34] It would be so cool to get this into some of those areas that can’t afford this kind of technology. I mean, yeah, getting the funding and he had releasing information in there as well.
Stuart Turley [00:26:48] What kind of investors, when you’re looking at these kind of projects and municipalities, which site because power plants are sometimes owned individually and then they have separate investors in those as well too.
Debra Wold [00:27:05] Right.
Stuart Turley [00:27:05] And municipalities own their own trash and things like that. When you’re looking at these partnerships, do you have private investors come to you looking for ESG funding and then you work with the municipalities together and then these guys retain ownership of the power. How does that work?
Debra Wold [00:27:25] Perfectly said. So if you take your hand, you have the private sector and you have the municipality, right? And so they all come together because we need a site. So that’s for the municipality of the county would come in.
Stuart Turley [00:27:39] Okay.
Debra Wold [00:27:40] That’s very key. Now, you may have trash haulers there that they may not be a part of. So a trash hauler like a large you. Any one of the big four.
Stuart Turley [00:27:50] Right.
Debra Wold [00:27:50] Could be a partner in this as well, because they’re bringing the trash to us. Or if the municipality owns the trash or the hauling of it, they can say to their constituents, their residents, we’re going to give you a discount on picking up your trash, maybe sort of 20 bucks. I know it’s not that much more expensive, but we’re going to give you residents a discount on picking up your trash. And then because we’re part of this as a partnership, whatever percentages they put in, they would get that percentage back in equity, which is the are why in the project, the stock in the project,.
Debra Wold [00:28:25] They would be able to say to their residents, well, we’ve been talking amongst our company putting up a gas station and selling our own diesel there, which we could give the community a benefit on a discount of diesel.
Debra Wold [00:28:40] Which would actually be a marketing tool for that community who underprivileged to change to go through a paradigm shift.
Debra Wold [00:28:49] In addition, if you have, let’s say, rowdy young men and women now, we can put them to work in the union where we have training through the apprenticeship programs in the union to give them confidence, give them self esteem, give them something which they’re not getting.
Stuart Turley [00:29:07] Right.
Debra Wold [00:29:07] And the other thing is, with private investors, we’re looking for them as well, because once we go into, we get our first one one in done, we call it. We’re going to give the private investors an opportunity to reinvest into the next into the next, into the next.
Stuart Turley [00:29:25] Nice.
Debra Wold [00:29:26] So if they wanted to invest into all three, they can do that as well. So they would have a little equity in each one of the projects.
Stuart Turley [00:29:33] Nice. It’s just this is cool. You know, I tried to stop a few of my guests on the podcast, and again, I think that’s why your first one was so wildly popular is I keep throwing these games at you and you and I had not talked about a lot of this, but.
Debra Wold [00:29:53] No.
Stuart Turley [00:29:54] And you keep you keep this. I you know, we’re we’re taking care of the kids were taking care of growth and everything else and the one thing I got to say about getting the union training is you don’t have to pay back the student debt on.
Debra Wold [00:30:09] Oh, my heart breaks for that. Because, you know, one thing, you know, I’m a union daughter. My dad was in the union and I saw what it did to him. He was a little rabble rouser. But the union, like the military, it forms you. It gives you responsibility, but it gives you confidence back.
Debra Wold [00:30:28] And with our apprenticeship programs through our technology center, where we’re going to be bringing in the union through their apprenticeship programs, we’ll be able to teach them our technology with which to energy, with the gas power plant, with the CO2 and moisture. We’ve got a whole bunch more, which is actually in our documentation that we want to bring and start teaching about.
Debra Wold [00:30:49] Because we want to invest into the future. Selfishly speaking to our plants go beyond 40 years.
Debra Wold [00:30:57] I won’t say how old I am, but when I will see my young daughter, who’s 11 years old, will be able to take this on into her generations and beyond.
Stuart Turley [00:31:06] You know, and when I. I think wind is great now but the the average life expectancy in the meantime between failure is ten years.
Stuart Turley [00:31:20] And you know, when you’re taking a look at machines there, when you’re talking 40 – 50 years and beyond and that some serious ROI. on not having to bury those things in that system.
Debra Wold [00:31:35] Absolutely
Stuart Turley [00:31:35] I if I understood the technology after looking through your last group it was upgradable in systems as opposed to just throwing out, as you said, the baby with the bathwater. It’s it’s upgradable. So if I remember correctly.
Debra Wold [00:31:53] You were absolutely correct my time, because what we do is we keep evolving, evolving, evolving, evolving, going into the fifth, going to the sixth generation.
Debra Wold [00:32:02] We keep up with the times and actually Essence, we’re ahead of the Times because a green wave started over in Europe 20 years ago. We’ve been doing this 20 years ago.
Debra Wold [00:32:12] The United States is just getting into the green wave and God help us if we have to go through 20 years of this. But with our technology, we don’t. We can stop a tsunami coming back in such a treacherous way like Germany is going to be experiencing and Europe is going to be experiencing.
Stuart Turley [00:32:30] Yeah. Over the next several years.
Debra Wold [00:32:32] Yes. Yes. And here’s the thing. We can work side by side with the oil companies.
Debra Wold [00:32:38] We have technology. They’re bringing petroleum. We can work side by side with the coal companies, clean coal. We can take those coal ash fields and not just let them lay dormant or pick cherry pick through them, turn them into diesel, turn them into products that are making the economy in the world economy move.
Stuart Turley [00:32:57] Or the diesel shortage here is going to be horrible. I mean, it it is in in our East coast and West Coast, the prices are going through the roof because they’re on the international pricing models because they haven’t updated their refineries.
Stuart Turley [00:33:16] You know, so this is going to be important in the in the future and stuff. And as you’re such a fabulous resource, how do people get a hold of you?
Debra Wold [00:33:28] Well, they can contact me and we have a website. And I think last time you put that out there for them and they can contact me, my telephone numbers are there, my emails are there.
Stuart Turley [00:33:39] All of them. And you’re on LinkedIn?
Debra Wold [00:33:41] Oh, absolutely. On LinkedIn. That place blew up after this podcast. Thank you so much, Stuart.
Stuart Turley [00:33:46] Oh, my pleasure. I am I just want to have a a inside baseball for our listeners and that is I’ve had so much fun bugging you on LinkedIn. It’s fun to see what you’re doing out there and everything else.
Stuart Turley [00:34:00] So reach out to Deborah Wald. It’s w oldie out there and not the way Oklahoma and Texas, but it’s Wold I guess Is w oil the So how do you say that in back East?
Debra Wold [00:34:17] Wold Wold like Wold of D
Stuart Turley [00:34:21] Sorry from Oklahoma and Texas you Walf You know, so I’ll work on that for that for the next time.
Stuart Turley [00:34:28] But is there anything what’s coming around the corner for green lately and then what’s coming around the corner for Deborah I want that’s the last two questions for us.
Debra Wold [00:34:39] So first of all, I would just like to thank you, Stuart. You’ve been phenomenal. I’ve had a blast on here, learned so much from you. And I just appreciate your humanity and the way you bring information across. It really speaks to a lot of people that never heard you before and totally inspired by you.
Debra Wold [00:34:55] I get personal messages back saying what an incredible host. He’s a major. So we are very, very blessed.
Debra Wold [00:35:02] What Green Lily holds is we’re just right now trying to figure out what’s the best location. So if anybody out there as a municipality or county would like to have a deeper discussion, bring us to you like what’s happening in Nebraska and Iowa. We’d love to do a PowerPoint presentation for you. We can do it online. I personally like to do it in person because I can talk to the people and answer questions.
Debra Wold [00:35:25] I’ll bring my whole entire team with me and we’ve got several locations, but we’re always open to learning about more. But personally speaking for me, I just have to say thank God I made it through a situation that just happened in 20 days. God got me through a very treacherous situation, and I’m so grateful for that, grateful for the prayers. And I know he’s got me alive for some purpose,.
Stuart Turley [00:35:50] Right?
Debra Wold [00:35:50] It’s not just for the business, but through the business. I personally get to share my faith, my friendship and my fellowship with other people. And I really want to make this world a better place for the next generations.
Stuart Turley [00:36:03] You know, I just I really appreciate it because when. You and I chatted about that. Prayer does work, Deborah, and.
Debra Wold [00:36:10] Absolutely.
Stuart Turley [00:36:12] Miracles happen as well too. So maybe with Green, really we can provide miracles for some of these. ESG and green. Let’s make the U.S. as green as you’re sure. I mean.
Debra Wold [00:36:26] There would be No. But that would be wonderful.
Stuart Turley [00:36:29] Well, sounds fantastic. We will have all of this in the show notes and everything else for you as well. And now you’ve set the bar so high with the success fulness of the first podcast. Oh, man, if this one goes off even higher, we got a bar to hit.
Debra Wold [00:36:45] Here are the greatest. None. The good news we get out there and people will be blessed and want to participate with us.
Stuart Turley [00:36:53] There you go. Well, thank you for stopping by today.
Debra Wold [00:36:55] Thank you. To sort of a lovely day.